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Pertaining to occultism, Cotton Mather, the prominent 17th-century Puritan minister, played a complex role. Known for his involvement in the infamous Salem Witch Trials, Mather's views and interactions with occult practices were both intriguing and controversial. **As a Puritan minister, Mather firmly believed in the existence of witchcraft** and saw it as a substantial threat to the moral fabric of society. He actively supported and even published books on the subject, such as "Memorable Providences Relating to Witchcraft and Possessions" in 1689. This work documented several alleged cases of witchcraft and served to reinforce the idea that Satan was actively working to corrupt Puritan communities. **However, Mather's relationship with the occult wasn't limited to "witch hunting"** alone.

An ignited Witch will die in 15 seconds, but it is important to note that she will change aggression to whoever was responsible for igniting her. Fire is very useful in killing Witches since her high speed and the risk of friendly fire on higher difficulties can make gunning her down difficult.

The runner should attack the Witch, preferably with a molotov or a gas can detonated by gunfire to ignite the Witch, or a scoped rifle if she is at a fair distance from the runner. Some players prefer crouching in front of the Witch, thereby tightening the shotgun cross-hairs and increasing the chance of getting all the pellets in the Witch s face.

**However, Mather's relationship with the occult wasn't limited to "witch hunting"** alone. He had a broader interest in various aspects of occultism and sought to understand and combat them from a religious perspective. For instance, Mather conducted experiments with plants and minerals, exploring their supposed medicinal and magical properties.

ToME: the Tales of Maj'Eyal

Yes, this is an old, old troll (in the non-Tolkenien sense).

Who was responsible for the death (er. un-death) of the Witch-King?

Eowyn or Merry? Sword of Westernesse or pure Rohan-gal pluck?

Peter Jackson got around it by digging out the WK - "No man can kill me. " Eowyn - "I am no man!" solution, which I've always found a little too neat.

I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts.

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#2 Post by Neil » Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:23 am

#3 Post by Lord Dimwit » Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:00 am

Merry did stab the Witch-King from behind before Eowyn got a whack at him, but I think the context (in both the book and the movie) make it clear that she was responsible for his death.

I like Merry. Him and his insatiable bloodlust.

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#4 Post by Neil » Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:57 am

The Witch-King was IMPERVIOUS to Merry's weapon though, I think, thanks to that fate the Witch-king had.

#5 Post by zasvid » Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:00 pm

IIRC the Witch-King was said to die because both Eowyn and Merry weren't mortal men (but a woman and hobbit). But I wondered recently whether he died truly or was just banished for some time, as when the Nazgul were flooded.

#6 Post by teganm » Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:28 pm

I always got the impression from the books that Merry's stab distracted the Witch-King, giving Eowyn the chance to kill him.

#7 Post by Teber » Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:57 pm

merry certainly hurt the witch-king. there has been debate whether merry's blow enabled eowyn to deliver the coupe de grace.

#8 Post by Ravenred » Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:11 pm

Because it was a Blade of Westernesse.

Did the enchanted nature of the blade "poison" the Witch-King, or did it merely weaken his defences allowing Eowyn to kill 'im?

For mine, Eowyn did diddly squat. goooooOOOOO Hobbits!

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#9 Post by fearoffours » Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:23 pm

JRR Tolkien wrote: Merry's sword had stabbed him from behind, shearing through the black mantle, and passing up beneath the hauberk had pierced the sinew behind his mighty knee.
"Eowyn! Eowyn!" cried Merry. Then torttering, struggling up, with her last strnength she drove her sword between crown and mantle as the great shoulders bowed before her.

Merry's blow cause the Witch-King to topple (a blow to the knee) this gave Eowyn the advantage of height she needde to deliver the fatal blow.

#10 Post by PowerWyrm » Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:38 pm

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#11 Post by Neil » Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:20 pm

OK, Merry got in a hit, but Eowyn made the kill.

No need to poll on what Tolkien made clear.

#12 Post by 'nuncle Tim » Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:28 am

There's a line in one of the appendices. or somewhere -- damn, now I have to go look -- in which it states that Merry's sword "unbound his sinew" or something, which weakened him and enabled Eowyn to get in a killing blow.

#13 Post by Arioch_Arioch » Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:28 am

Definitely the blade of westernesse did it as there is mention in the books and history of the peoples who made that blade solely for the unmaking of the Enemy and his works. The encyclopaedia of Arda has a bit of info on that for anyone interested in looking it up. Jackson filmed it with the intention of leaving room for uncertainty though.

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#14 Post by Master Nightfall » Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:30 pm

Arioch_Arioch wrote: Definitely the blade of westernesse did it as there is mention in the books and history of the peoples who made that blade solely for the unmaking of the Enemy and his works. The encyclopaedia of Arda has a bit of info on that for anyone interested in looking it up. Jackson filmed it with the intention of leaving room for uncertainty though.

Yet Aragorn said that "Destroyed are all the weapons that strike that terrible king", and Frodo's sword broke when he tried to fight off the ringwraiths.

Because it was a Blade of Westernesse.

He also corresponded with other scholars on topics like alchemy and astrology, indicating his curiosity and engagement with the supernatural. **Mather's engagement with the occult was not without controversy**. While some admired his dedication to combating witchcraft, others criticized him for his methods and arguably harsh treatment of accused witches during the Salem trials. Mather's perceived obsession with the occult, coupled with his influence in the community, contributed to growing hysteria and widespread panic during this tumultuous time. **In conclusion, Cotton Mather's relationship with the occult was multifaceted and complex**. He believed strongly in the existence of witchcraft and actively fought against it, yet also explored various aspects of occultism and engaged with scholars on related matters. However, his controversial involvement in the Salem Witch Trials and the resulting impact on the community highlight the controversy surrounding Mather's foray into occult practices..

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