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Why Bleach characters can harm Black Clover Devils

This is something I've thought of for a while, and I'm making the case that some Bleach characters with a Zanpakuto can harm Devil Hearts. This is because of the similarities between Saint Stage magic and the essence of a Zanpakuto. Let's discuss:

First, we'll look at what Saint Stage magic is. Saint Stage magic can only be achieved by Spirit magic users. Spirit magic is a rare type of magic that allows a user to conjure an elemental spirit to aid them in battle.

Spirits bond with a mage that has the same magic attribute as them:

Spirits develop over time:

Spirits bodies crumble if their host is about to die, but in the event of a hosts death a spirit can find a new host and can be passed down through inheritors:

Now, onto Saint Stage. When a host and its spirit resonate perfectly, they achieve Saint Stage, which allows them to use magic that can destroy devils:

In a nutshell:

1. Spirits bond with a mage.

2. They develop over time.

3. They crumble when a host dies but can be passed down also.

4. When they resonate perfectly, Saint Stage is achieved, which can be used to destroy the heart of devils.

I cannot help but notice the similarities between Saint Stage and the development of Zanpakuto. I'll be using a few Zanpakuto to make my argument, and then I'll say which characters I think have achieved Saint Stage in Bleach.

First of all, I'm operating under the assumption that spirits and souls are synonymous terms, as they have been used synonymously in Bleach also.

1. Zanpakuto are living souls, which develop with their host over time as the host bonds with it by pouring their soul into an Asauchi over time:

2. An Asauchi must choose you and can reject you if you are not worthy enough:

3. Zanpakuto normally die with their user, but there are special cases in which they live on, such as a Zanpakuto that is inherited and a Bankai that was stolen:

Onto the final part, the so-called Saint Stage. There are a few times that Shinigami have achieved perfect resonance with their Zanpakuto, I'll show a few scans:

Renji with Souou Zabimaru:

Ichigo with Zangetsu:

Byakuya with Senbonzakura:

Aizen fusing with Kyoka Suigetsu:

Ichibei and Oetsu by default.

Other characters that have likely achieved Saint Stage:

Rukia, Genryuusai, Toshiro with no petals, Hisagi, Bankai Kenpachi, and a few more.

I am aware there exists verse-specific differences between Zanpakuto and spirits, and some will probably be pointed out to me, but the crux of my argument is this.

1. They are both souls/spirits.

2. They both resonate with their owner over time.

3. The spirits/souls choose the owner.

4. Spirits and hosts can achieve perfect harmony with each other.

I think these characters and a few more can be argued to be able to destroy the heart of a devil.

Renji still solos the verse.

Maybe but this would imply the opposite is true as well.

So Yuno and Noelle should run through the Espada since they can purify Hollows

I get the what you mean but the problem is that you think that just because the way saint stage and zanpakuto process you think that they work the same way against devils but the problem is that the saint stage is litterly made to kill devils

also it was never stated the way you gain saint stage is the reason why you kill devils which is what your unconsciously trying to prove which is why this thread makes no sense but no hard feelings tho I don't think this is necessarily a bad thread

1. Possibly you're right but as mans said it should go both ways.

2. But a problem I see is you're using souls (Bleach) and spirits (Black Clover) as synonyms when the way they are used (referring to the words themselves) in the series aren't synonymous.

Spirit - the non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.

However, that is not how the word spirit is used in BC

@coffie: Probably. But Hollow are only purified when they die, not when they are damaged. But I’m willing to equate it.

@romeobeta: I know it’s no perfectly similar, but there are similarities, which I have pointed out. There are also

@ninjarizer : That's if it can even be applied, Yuno and Sylph were very close with loads of experience, and he still couldn't use Saint Stage. He can still barely use it now.

We don't even know what equates to Saint Stage yet.

@ninjarizer: "I know it’s no perfectly similar, but there are similarities, which I have pointed out. There are also differences too "

I mean even if they were completely the same you would still have to prove that zanpakuto would work the same way that saint stage works in black clover and how zanpakuto would somehow harm devils

As I stated before saint stage is specifically meant to kill devils so I don't see how zanpakuto would harm black clover devils at all if zanpakuto is meant for a whole different thing

@coffie: We do. I’ve literally just showed the evidence on what requirements are needed for Saint Stage. To recap:

1. One must have a spirit, and be a spirit host

2. Saint Stage is attained when a host and its spirit reach near 100% resonance. Literally stated on panel.

You must have meant something else by what you said, because the way it reads is very wrong.

You understand Yuno can use Saint Stage, right?

@lichgod3: Saint Stage isn’t specifically made for devils, it’s just a power that allows one to kill devils. Literally in this thread, I’ve read both manga and i’ve stated the similarities that I’ve found between both. Do you deny these similarities?

We literally know how one achieves Saint Stage, stated on panel. I’m simply stating that it’s possible a Zanpakuto, when 100% resonant with its wielder like Renji and Ichigo (Zabimaru and Zangetsu), can cut a devils heart. It’s not a bomb shell argument, rather speculation.

@ninjarizer: We don't know how they reach 100% tho, that's the point.

@ninjarizer: I said he can barely use it and that's the truth.

@coffie: Are you implying that the ‘100% resonance’ is vague?

Noelle inherited Undine temporarily, and in that very moment she achieved Saint Stage. Undine states that you only need strength and be able to use offensive magic, and she resonated with Noelle in that instant.

With Shinigami, they spend hundreds of years with their Zanpakuto, and only a handful achieve 100% resonance with their Zanpakuto, some of which I’ve stated.

From the parameters that we are aware of, if you were to equate it somewhat (if) then there’s no doubt Renji, Ichibei, Byakuya, Ichigo, Aizen and a few others have achieved 100% resonance with their Zanpakuto, it was literally the point of them going to the Royal Palace.

Then why didn't Yuno resonate with Sylph? Why did it take so long?

@coffie: Sylph was still developing throughout the manga, she starts out small then gets a lot older. Undine is already in her adult state, which logically points to some conclusion that Saint Stage can only be accessed by a mature Spirit and a strong resonance with the host.

Secondly, it states that Yuno was fighting near death, which allowed him to achieve this resonance during battle.

Again, it’s all speculation, but nonetheless has some basis

@ninjarizer: Yuno has fought near death multiple times and nothing suggests Sylph isn't mature she's just small.

The point is Undine and Noelle reached it easily while Yuno who has more experience and a better relationship took much longer therefore we can't deduce what causes it.

@coffie: This is understandable, but there is evidence. Fana and Fuegoleon for example.

Salamander when first seen with Fana was unbelievably tiny. When we see Salamander the most recent time, with Fuegoleon, it’s absolutely massive. Most of the large scale attacks thag Salamander can do just wouldn’t make sense with a smaller Salamander. It’s just a visual indication, but it happens for all the spirits which gives some indication that there is some space for development and maturity in the spirits, and that reflects in the size and age of the spirits.

Yes but Sylph hasn't grown at all despite both her and Yuno getting much stronger.

"Saint Stage isn’t specifically made for devils, it’s just a power that allows one to kill devils. Literally in this thread, I’ve read both manga and i’ve stated the similarities that I’ve found between both. Do you deny these similarities?"

Nice but you still haven't answer some of my other questions it doesn't really matter if they have similarities or not you still have to prove that zanpakuto would work the same way to kill devils and I'm not denying these similarities I don't think ever hinted that either

"We literally know how one achieves Saint Stage, stated on panel. I’m simply stating that it’s possible a Zanpakuto, when 100% resonant with its wielder like Renji and Ichigo (Zabimaru and Zangetsu), can cut a devils heart. It’s not a bomb shell argument, rather speculation."

Wow you think I'm that oblivious to this thread ik this was speculation which why I was pointing out parts that weren't simular and I was telling you that you would have to prove that it would work the same to kill devils that's why I said this thread makes no sense

"Saint Stage isn’t specifically made for devils, it’s just a power that allows one to kill devils. Literally in this thread, I’ve read both manga and i’ve stated the similarities that I’ve found between both. Do you deny these similarities?"

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