hide and eek boutique

Stormalong White Mountain Magic is a phenomenon that has captivated people for centuries. Located in the Appalachian Mountains in the northeastern United States, the White Mountains are known for their rugged beauty and unpredictable weather. Among the many natural wonders found in this region, Stormalong stands out as one of the most fascinating and mysterious. Legend has it that Stormalong is a mountain where strange and powerful storms occur. These storms have been described as being engulfed in swirling fog and accompanied by thunderous booms that echo through the valleys. The intensity of these storms is said to be unlike anything experienced elsewhere in the world.

Have you thought about trying a wood-burning stove as an alternative heat source for your home? If you want your home to be heated with a wood burning stove, check out our best-selling products here.

This will allow oxygen to flow, providing ventilation, which helps disperse heat throughout your home, and the heat will be able to reach all parts of the house with the doors open. After starting the fire and adding larger chunks of wood, keep it going with the spindle fully open which controls the burn rate of the fire and a close damper so the heat rises.

The intensity of these storms is said to be unlike anything experienced elsewhere in the world. According to local folklore, the origin of Stormalong's unique weather patterns can be traced back to an ancient Native American legend. It is said that centuries ago, a powerful shaman was granted a magical staff by the spirits of the mountains.

Does anyone run a Magic Heat reclaimer off an Encore?

Active since 1995, Hearth.com is THE place on the internet for free information and advice about wood stoves, pellet stoves and other energy saving equipment.

We strive to provide opinions, articles, discussions and history related to Hearth Products and in a more general sense, energy issues.

We promote the EFFICIENT, RESPONSIBLE, CLEAN and SAFE use of all fuels, whether renewable or fossil.

• Forums
• Main Hearth Forums
• Classic Wood Stove Forums (prior to approx. 1993)

You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.

VCBurner

Minister of Fire

I know this forum seems to be against heat reclaimers. However, I feel that some people on this earth still may chose to run one. I believe it would be helpful to have threads on this site that deal with operating one of these properly and SAFELY!

Whatever the general consensus may be, they are still available on the market. So, this brings me to my title question. Does anyone run a heat reclaimer off an Encore?

Here's a link to my other "dead" thread concearning these things, in case anyone has any questions about one!
https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/51519/P44/#835380

Enviro Windsor pearl gray 10/30/11
Dutchwest 2461 LG Cat gone 8/11, but not forgotten
VC Defiant Encore Cat 2190 now @ the in-laws
Atlanta Stoveworks#27, Surdiac 513- sold 8/11
Jonsered CS2255 18"
Great wife & 5 boys
I miss burning wood!

Battenkiller

Minister of Fire

Too bad that one got closed, I just don't get the call on that particular one. I had written a detailed response to the issue of appliance-induced negative pressure, but then had nowhere to post it. Ya, ya, the thread had drifted a bit. like almost every other one on here after a while. That's OK, I don't mind. I'm old and my time has little value anymore. %-P

I have nothing to add about the Magic Heat but to say, "To each his own." I don't feel they are appropriate for a modern stove, but they aren't the Devil to me like they are to some others. You gave it a fair try and found it was worth the trouble, but in the end, got rid of it. Not sure exactly why, but I'll assume your logic told you it was a small gain for a lot of effort in maintenance. Stove testers have all the real-world facts and figures about heating efficiency in their products, and I feel most will tell you that only about 20% of your heat goes up the flue, and that 19.5% of your heat is needed in your flue to drive the entire process. If you have excess draft and a short stack (usually mutually exclusive), then I can seer the benefit of such a device. With today's stoves being as restrictive to air flow as they are by design, I think a draft inducer is needed in more cases that the other way around.

As far as the actual effectiveness of the unit. the claims of 30,000 BTU reclaimed? Per hour? BS on that if that is the case. Per cord? Well then, who cares? That's like 5 pounds of wood at 25% MC. a single split.

begreen

Mooderator

Have to ask why this is being brought up again and why the Encore? There are lots of devices available on the internet and in stores that may be unsafe or simply rip-offs. One can still buy an EdenPure heater and get taken to the cleaners, so?

PE Alderlea T6, Jotul F602
The most important tool in the wood burning process and the largest variable is the one that is running the stove.

VCBurner

Minister of Fire

The reason why I brought up an Encore is because I have a #2190 sitting in my garage awaiting an install. May I ask why this thread was moved to the pre EPA section? The Encore was originally purchased in 1994 and is certainly an EPA rated catalytic stove! I was wondering if anyone has used a MH on them and if so has it reduced the draft any?

In response to Battenkiller's reply, I took the MH off the Dutchwest in order to learn how to burn the stove in an ideal chimney set up. I felt as if I had to have a pure set up and see how it works first. This winter I moved the DW upstairs into the fireplace and had no chance of hooking up the reclaimer in the basement. But, now with another stove in the works, I may reclaim again! Oh, and by the way BK, I don't get why the thread was taken out of circulation either. I guess it is up to the Moderators to make these calls and they may feel as if heat reclaimers don't belong on this site? This is too bad, some people running these things would benefit from reading all the comments and concearns posted about these units here on the site.

Enviro Windsor pearl gray 10/30/11
Dutchwest 2461 LG Cat gone 8/11, but not forgotten
VC Defiant Encore Cat 2190 now @ the in-laws
Atlanta Stoveworks#27, Surdiac 513- sold 8/11
Jonsered CS2255 18"
Great wife & 5 boys
I miss burning wood!

begreen

Mooderator

Moved because these units shouldn't be used on a modern stove. However, if you can find a single, EPA stove manufacturer recommending one of these unit to be put on their stove, that kind of endorsement would be worth discussing. To answer the question, any device that is put on the flue, diverts it through multiple channels, and cools the exhaust temps by a couple hundred degrees is going to affect draft. I can't tell you how much without proper testing and suspect very few other folks are going to be able quantify how much either, especially on a modern stove. The prime application appears to be on older stove users with hot flue pipes and that like to brush them out a lot.

PE Alderlea T6, Jotul F602
The most important tool in the wood burning process and the largest variable is the one that is running the stove.

BrotherBart

Modesterator

Over the years I have stated my two concerns with the things.

1. That they have a device in them to try to knock the creosote accumulation off of them, thereby admitting that they are creosote traps.

2. The instructions on what to do in a power failure to keep from frying the damned thing. Anybody have in their DayTimer when the next power failure is gonna be?

Two Englander 30-NCLs Heat Redefined (One a spare in waiting), Englander 25-PDVC
Poulan Pro 405+ 65cc, 2 Husky 142s, Chusky 5200, Poulan 1975, 1988 Duerr Splitter

Lots of people make'em. Lots of people sell'em. Hearth.com shows you how to use'em.
All posts now gluten free and contain no trans fats.

VCBurner

Minister of Fire

You guys both bring up some valid points.
I am not trying in anyway to promote the use of the reclaimers. I just think there is a place for everything that is hearth related. If for nothing else, to expose potential users to valid points such as the ones both of you mentioned. Then, if someone wishes to still use the things, they at least have had a chance to hear those negative concerns. Most people who are thinking of using these probably have no idea of the negative affects that they cause.

As to address the comments I'll say the following, again not to be argumentative, only to present a different side of the story:

BrotherBart:
1. The creosote does not cling on to the pipes that go through the reclaimer as long as the stove is being used with good dry fuel and not being smoldered to death. The cleaning device is there mostly to clean off fly ash and make it a more effective piece of equipment. If a person smolders their fuel to the point of creating the dangerous sticky peanut butter like creosote, the scraping tool won't even work! The sticky stuff is just stuck in there! Furthermore, all stoves and chimneys have a maintenance schedule that is to be followed as per the manufacturer and so does the MH.
2. The power failure issue is a real problem. It should be addressed by anyone who uses one of these units. If the electrical components were to fry up during a power failure it would be sure to cause problems when the power does come back on. The question is how hot does the flue need to get to damage these components? Many people have blowers attached to their stoves, that are very similar in nature to the blowers on a MH reclaimer. What happens to these blowers during a power failure? Are they in danger of being damaged by the extreme heat? I also want to add that I burned my stove for a full burn cycle with the MH unplugged just to see what happened. In my case it was fine.

BeGreen:
I am not endorsing the use of the product. I'm merely asking if anyone has used it on a particular stove. If this question has any chance of being answered, it would have to be exposed to other such stove owners on the correct forum. The Encore 2190 is an EPA rated stove and I fear this question will only live in obscurity in the pre EPA stove forum. Again, I need to state that in my case the MH cooled the flue temps by about 75 degrees. I found while running the DW with a MH attached it did not greatly affect the operation of my EPA rated catalytic stove or add to the amount of creosote in my chimney. You are right about manufacturers not endorsing the use of this product. They don't.

Again, exposing stove owners to issues such as this does not mean endorsing this product. It is a valid hearth related issue and should be treated as such. Thank you for answering my questions, I greatly respect your expertise and value your opinions on all hearth related problems. I have learned a great deal about stove operation in the past year, largely due to the contributions you and other experienced members of this site. I am still a proud member and will continue to be regardless of what happens with this thread.

I'd like to add one more remark on this long winded post: The Magic Heat is a UL listed heat reclaimer 915U. Which means that if operated and installed per intruction guidelines it is safe to use according to Underwriters Laboratories testing.

Enviro Windsor pearl gray 10/30/11
Dutchwest 2461 LG Cat gone 8/11, but not forgotten
VC Defiant Encore Cat 2190 now @ the in-laws
Atlanta Stoveworks#27, Surdiac 513- sold 8/11
Jonsered CS2255 18"
Great wife & 5 boys
I miss burning wood!

Here's a link to my other "dead" thread concearning these things, in case anyone has any questions about one!
https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/51519/P44/#835380

With this staff, the shaman could control the weather and protect his tribe from harm. However, as the shaman grew old, his powers began to fade. Sensing that his time was running out, he sought to pass on his magic to a worthy successor. Legend has it that he climbed to the top of the highest peak in the White Mountains and commanded the spirits to send a storm that would test the bravery and determination of any who dared to ascend the mountain. For centuries, many adventurers and mountaineers have attempted to conquer Stormalong, some driven by a desire for glory and others by a thirst for the mysterious power that resides there. However, few have succeeded in reaching the summit, and even fewer have claimed to witness the true magic of Stormalong. Those who have made it to the top describe a scene from a different world. They speak of standing amidst swirling fog and feeling an electric energy in the air. Some claim to have seen flashes of light that illuminated the entire mountain range, while others speak of hearing a celestial chorus accompanying the thunderous booms of the storms. Scientists and researchers have tried to explain the phenomenon of Stormalong, but no satisfactory answer has been found. Some attribute the storms to unique atmospheric conditions, while others suggest that the mountain itself may contain hidden chambers or underground, releasing bursts of energy that create the storms. Regardless of the scientific explanations, Stormalong continues to captivate the imagination of those who hear its story. To this day, people flock to the White Mountains in search of the mythic mountain, hoping to witness the elusive magic that lies within. For the curious and the brave, Stormalong remains a beacon of mystery and wonder amidst the towering peaks of the Appalachian Mountains..

Reviews for "hide and eek boutique"

hide and eek boutique