Crafting Epic Magic Items in Dungeon and Dragons

Dungeons and Dragons is a popular fantasy role-playing game that allows players to create unique characters and embark on epic adventures. One of the most exciting aspects of the game is finding and using magical items. These items can provide various bonuses and abilities to the players, enhancing their gameplay experience. **However, the true magic lies in the hands of the Dungeon Master, who has the power to create new and unique magical items.** The Dungeon Master can craft these items to fit the story and campaigns they have created. Creating a magical item requires careful consideration and balance.

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Creating a magical item requires careful consideration and balance. The Dungeon Master must consider the power level of the item and how it will affect gameplay. Too powerful, and it may unbalance the game, while too weak, and the item may not be exciting or worthwhile for the players.

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The 2e system seems to deter magical item creation on the part of PCs, in that one has to give up a point of con to make the magic stick.

The permanency ritual for priests is a bit more ambivalent on this point (the god may or may not require a sacrificed point of con), but for wizards it's really either using permanency or a full wish to emulate the effects of a permanency spell. Perhaps 3 limited wishes might hold the magic for 100 years, longer than the duration of most campaigns.

I imagine this is a meta game reason to keep players from creating high powered magical items willy nilly, i.e. maces of disruption and staves of the magi that (albeit with great effort, patience, and quests for rare and exotic materials) could be brought into existence at the whim of the players vs. exceptionally rare drops or gifts from powerful npcs.

Has anyone found workarounds for this that are "legal" according to the rules, and which don't un-balance the game too much?

One strategy that a friend of mine used was magic jarring a goblin and then using permanency, so that the goblin would have soak the point of con.

Any thoughts on this?

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by garhkal » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:04 am

Not one thing i've read seems to indicate there's ANY cost to the cleric, in the way of loss of any stat. JUST a crap ton of time and money.

Re: Magical item creation

Post by Karasutono » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:45 am

Nef wrote: Hi everyone,

The 2e system seems to deter magical item creation on the part of PCs, in that one has to give up a point of con to make the magic stick.

The permanency ritual for priests is a bit more ambivalent on this point (the god may or may not require a sacrificed point of con), but for wizards it's really either using permanency or a full wish to emulate the effects of a permanency spell. Perhaps 3 limited wishes might hold the magic for 100 years, longer than the duration of most campaigns.

I imagine this is a meta game reason to keep players from creating high powered magical items willy nilly, i.e. maces of disruption and staves of the magi that (albeit with great effort, patience, and quests for rare and exotic materials) could be brought into existence at the whim of the players vs. exceptionally rare drops or gifts from powerful npcs.

Has anyone found workarounds for this that are "legal" according to the rules, and which don't un-balance the game too much?

One strategy that a friend of mine used was magic jarring a goblin and then using permanency, so that the goblin would have soak the point of con.

Any thoughts on this?

Have someone else cast permanence for you. (Like the goblin they need not be doing it willingly either.)

As for my thoughts on the creation of items, most times I let players make their own items rather often. They just are not designed or upkept beyond the ends of those players characters most times. IE the magic in the item fades away without continual use or upkeep. As for permanent items? Dunno why you'd need a coin of light to last indefinitely(aside the continual light spell supposes in it's definition that it destroys the item it's on over time.). but sometimes I like to roll how effectively someone made something and if it's just well put together or made. If so then chances are quite slim, true, but they could have made something so well that it lasts seemingly into the indefinite future.

Other work arounds could be things like attaching the con loss onto the item itself, so that the weilder loses con while in possession of the item. Or Curses since you could work a curse to seat indefinitely until remove curse is cast on it or it's dispelled. I tended to see a lattice work of heavily tinkered and modified Moon Runes in my game act as something of a lesser permanence spell. If all else fails you could just have it be a duplicating item with it's magical effect continued on into the next clones as the prior ones are lost to time or destroyed.

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by Miktay » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:49 am

Permanency for item creation carries only a 5% chance of con loss (see enchant an item) and is unnecessary in the majority of items. Players are indeed not meant to make large quantities of permanent magical items but you can certainly make a few if you get high enough level to do so.

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by Varl » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:32 pm

Nef wrote: Has anyone found workarounds for this that are "legal" according to the rules, and which don't un-balance the game too much?

Perhaps this is strictly my personal experience, but I've never had any players express an interest to take the (usually huge) amounts of time, money and effort it takes to make magical items. Within the game itself, I've found it's far easier (as well as more fun) for players to adventure to find the magic items they want. This presumes that those millions of NPCs out there are making the magic items and losing them, using them or selling them, whatever. I've always considered it a convenient function within the game world. It kills two birds with one stone; plenty of magic items out there, and the players characters aren't forced into temporary exile to make them. It's a lot like new magic spells. Finding and experiencing new magic in the game is fun. Acquiring that magic to add to your repertoire is fun. Taking the time off to experiment, set up a lab, etc., and make the new spells on the side could be fun, but in my experience, it isn't. Now, field research spell creation can be fun! A system where you take the lab with you and experiment on resources you find on adventures can be fun. ymmv.

One strategy that a friend of mine used was magic jarring a goblin and then using permanency, so that the goblin would have soak the point of con.

Any thoughts on this?

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by genghisdon » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:15 pm

However, clerics have no need for permanency anyway. Or wish. They are more limited in what they make, but it is still quite a broad range, and a useful one.

permanency for item creation only has a 5% chance of causing con loss anyway, so it's hardly a detriment. The MATERIALS are often a major problem though. It's probably a good DM ploy to eradicate PC's trying to mess with that minor risk. Have the gods strike them dead or lock them up in Tarterus/Carceri.

They will fail, by the way, as "contaminating magic" messes up the enchant an item process anyway (such as from the magic jar spell).

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by garhkal » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:57 pm

One strategy that a friend of mine used was magic jarring a goblin and then using permanency, so that the goblin would have soak the point of con.

Any thoughts on this?

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by Sgt Slag » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:33 pm

+2! Pure evil to soak the point of Con from another, unwilling victim (including Charmed creatures who will 'gladly' give up a point of Con for their beloved friend -- see the spell description of Charm for characters trying to convince them the hurt themselves, or give their treasures to the Charmer.

My min/max'er, from the Elven blood thread, proffered this solution, as well. I was appalled, to say the least -- PURE EVIL! His PC is not high enough level, yet. Waiting for him to reach that point.

I wrote up house rules for spell research. One PC just holed himself up, creating new spells for the water god's temple to use: they funded his research with the agreement that he would share his results with their staff mages. He invested 3-4 years, I believe, in researching spells. He also gained a couple of levels, doing it. I see this as appropriately within character, for a mage. It makes sense. I also keep track of time, and aging. He knew this, and he accepted it.

He also understands that only those he shares his research with, will have his new spells. He says he will NOT share them with the min/max'er PC. They are his, and those of the temple, only. I'm OK with that. He basically retired the character for several years within the game, while the other PC's continued on. So far, it has been a fun experiment. The only reason he was able to do it, was because the temple was funding his research -- it is expensive! The results are worth the cash the temple expended. Much of his new spells are geared for ships, and sailing, surface combat at sea. It seemed a good investment for the temple, which will share it across the continent, with their other temples, so their investment will pay dividends for decades to come! Look out, pirates! They're gunning for you, in new, and deadly ways.

The 'new' sea-based spells were garnered from alternate D&D source books, and appropriated for my 2e games. They will be modified, as necessary. Makes for a great way to introduce new spells to the game. With them being sea-based, they might encourage the PC's to go sailing. This will offer something radically different from what they are familiar with. New vistas for our gaming: water-based adventures above, and below, the seas!

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by serleran » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:01 pm

It depends on what method for item crafting one employs. There are possibilities that spell casting is not even needed, only following a recipe of proper ingredients such as elder tree felled by a lightning bolt, bathed in a pond of silver water (perhaps that means mercury), and then shat upon by a lightning quasi-elemental.

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by Storm11 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:05 am

Potions and wands/staves/rods and other charged or one shot items don’t need permanency. For other items it’s not a high percentage chance.

Clerics and Druids don’t even need that, just the blessing of their spiritual nexus. That can take a looooong while to manifest.

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by garhkal » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:52 pm

Storm11 wrote: Potions and wands/staves/rods and other charged or one shot items don’t need permanency. For other items it’s not a high percentage chance.

Clerics and Druids don’t even need that, just the blessing of their spiritual nexus. That can take a looooong while to manifest.

Re: Magical item creation

Post by Nef » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:33 pm

Hi guys, thanks for all these tips. And yeah, I get that magic jarring a beastie to sap a point of con would be evil . And I didn't know that enchanting an item only has a 5% chance of con loss.

So, for DMs, how might you house rule the creation of a mace of disruption? Would there be a specific formula for this I could reference anywhere?

Also, is there any weapon that does concussive damage? For instance there is an OP 2nd level spell in Forgotten Realms called "chilling scythe." It is unique to priests of Kelemvor, and if the scythe even touches an undead, it will explode, knocking the undead creature back by several feet.

What I might want to create is a "mace of concussion" or "mace of impact" - I notice that sometimes my character will get surrounded by fiends, and it makes it a difficult situation to get out of. If I had a weapon that would knock one of them back at least 5 feet, that might be useful.

Of course, a mace of disruption would have a 5% chance of killing them outright, so that would be nice too .

Is there a standard formula for how such weapons might be created?

Like, if I really had my heart's desire, it would be an Adamantine Mace of Disruption +5. What do you think it might take to save up for something like that?

I think it might go something like this:
1) Find or pay for adamantite ore
2) Pay for someone to convert it to adamantine
3) Pay for a master weapons forger to forge it into a mace
4) Pay for a wizard to enchant it +5
5) Leave it on altar that radiates a bless spell for the next 100 days
6) Have the entire parish (once I get a parish) pray over it to create a holy weapon that can destroy fiends and undead for another 100 days.

What do you guys think?

Maybe I would need some other exotic ingredients, such as a gem freely given by an Aasimon or other celestial being. Are there any source materials I should look for to get a sense of what this would cost?

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Re: Magical item creation

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by LibraryOgre » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:25 pm

You might take a look at Spells and Magic, which has a decent sized section on creating magical items. As a Mace of Disruption is a multiple-function weapon, they figure it to cost you twice its XP value in GP to make, and take 4 weeks per 1000gp. so, 16 weeks for a standard mace of disruption. Since you want a +5 mace of disruption, I'd kick the GP value up to 9000 (3000 for a +5 sword, plus 2000 for a Mace of Disruption, - 500 for a +1 Mace, then double that), making your total time 36 weeks.

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by garhkal » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:20 pm

For the disruption effect/concussive effect, i see no canon spells that would really duplicate them but holy word comes close for the former part. So you might need to research a new spell that does the knock-back/concussive blast part, then have that cast repeatedly on the mace during it's creation.

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by Storm11 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:41 pm

Not every effect has an equivalent spell. You don’t always need one. Especially if your deity/patron power is bestowing the magic upon the item.

Re: Magical item creation

Post by AuldDragon » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:24 pm

Storm11 wrote: Not every effect has an equivalent spell. You don’t always need one. Especially if your deity/patron power is bestowing the magic upon the item.

While true, you can also draw upon similar magic. IMO, Dispel Evil is a similar effect to Disruption, and I would include that spell in the creation of the magic item (or at least have the capability and the levels to cast the spell).

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by LibraryOgre » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:40 pm

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Re: Magical item creation

Post by garhkal » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:00 pm

Once this step is completed, the item need only be sanctified and consecrated, unless it is to possess charges in which case the priest has 24 hours to cast the appropriate spells into the item. Should the task to be incomplete at the end of this time, the priest will once again have to seek his deity's favor before continuing the process (in other words, start over at the beginning).

THough that specifies for charge items, i see no reason that the cleric CAN'T be required to cast into it as well, when making non-charged items..

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Magical weapons and armor require an enchant an item and a permanency spell or the priestly equivalents (see pages 121–122 in the DMG). In addition, devices with expendable charges (armor of fear, for example) must be imbued with the appropriate spells. Weapons and armor that have no special properties except for conferring combat bonuses are considered single‑function items; items with blending, command, disruption, throwing, hurling, accuracy, speed, distance, venom, homing, lightning, piercing, sharpness, wounding, or vorpal properties are considered multiple‑function items. Armors that have special but expendable properties (fear and etherealness) are limited‑use items; and expendable items such as magical arrows or javelins are single‑use items.

Single‑use weapons require one rare material and one common process;
Single‑function weapons and armors require one exotic material, one common process, and one rare process;
Multiple‑function weapons and armors require one exotic material and process, one rare process, and one common process per function;
Limited‑use armors and weapons require one exotic material and process, one rare process, and one common process per use.

Special Ingredients
Creating an enchanted item is difficult. Even the simplest devices require extraordinary materials and processes. In many cases, characters find that an item just isn’t worth the trouble of gathering the components, treating or refining them, and then weaving the spells that empower the final product. The DM’s best means for controlling player character item creation is through the special ingredients required by a particular item.
There are two types of special ingredients: materials and processes. Materials are just what one would think—components that are actually incorporated into the structure of the item. Processes are steps that somehow refine, imbue, or alter the basic item. In either case, the ingredient can range from common to exotic, embracing almost anything imaginable.
Materials: As a general rule of thumb, more powerful items require more unusual materials. Materials may actually represent physical components of the item in question—the metal used to forge a ring or a rod, the wool from which a cloak is woven—or materials might be additives or refinements, such as a handful of pixie dust for a potion of flying, or the scales of a giant snake that are incorporated in a phylactery of proof against poison.
Materials can be completely nonmaterial, metaphorical ingredients as well as tangible substances. The courage of a knight, the spirit of a mountain, or the breath of a butterfly are all examples of this type of ingredient. A player character may have to exercise quite a bit of ingenuity and inventiveness to capture these rare qualities or essences!
Materials are divided into three general categories: common, rare, and exotic.
Common materials can be acquired almost anywhere. Steel, leather, bone, cloth, oak staves, and other such things are all common materials. Note that items suitable for enchantment must be made of the finest materials available, so a wizard might have to commission an ore‑smelter to create the very purest steel available. Even the most common magical items require materials worth 100 gp, at a bare minimum! Intangible common materials could include the tears of a maiden, the strength of a smith, or the essence of a rose.
Rare materials are more difficult to find or more expensive. A particular type or grade of silk, diamonds, roc feathers, ebony, a wizard’s bones, or iron smelted by a master dwarven smith would be rare. Intangible materials could include the tears of a heartbroken maiden, the strength of a king, or the essence of rose harvested on the first night of a new moon. Common materials produced or gathered under unusual circumstances—such as the rose essence just described—also count as rare.
Exotic materials can only be acquired through an adventure on the part of the character. Silk woven from a phase spider, a faceted diamond never exposed to light, an archmage’s bones, a lock of a goddess’s hair, or steel smelted from a fallen star are all exotic materials; intangible materials might include the tears of a heartbroken princess, the strength of the greatest king in the world, or the essence of a rose harvested by the light of a comet that returns once every twenty years.
Processes: Almost anything that alters, changes, decorates, or aids in the production of an item without becoming part of the final piece is a process. Naturally, the exact nature of the process varies with the physical form of the item; potions might be mixed or brewed in a special retort, boiled over a fire fueled by an unusual substance, stirred in a special fashion, distilled, evaporated, infused, fermented, separated, or purified. Other processes appropriate for various types of item include the following:

Ink for scrolls can be brewed much like a potion;
The alloy for metallic rings must be mined, smelted, and then cast in some kind of mold, extruded as wire, or cold‑worked. Setting stones, polishing, tempering, inscribing, or etching could finish the ring. Rings can also be made from nonmetallic substances; carefully carved stone, wood, or bone would work.
Wands and rods can be made of wood, iron, bone, crystal, stone, or almost anything imaginable. These items might require lathing, steeping, tooling, sanding, carving, polishing, enamelling, etching, or inlaying.
Staves are almost always made of wood, but a staff’s heels—metal bands that cap the ends—could be made from any number of substances. Staves can be lathed, carved, steeped, tooled, sanded, inlaid, or set with crystals or stones.
Functional weapons and armor can be made from iron, bronze, steel, or any of a variety of fantastic alloys. Arms of +3 value are usually made from special meteoric steel, +4 weapons or armor are made from mithral‑alloyed steel, and +5 arms are of adamantite‑alloyed steel. Processes used to make these items include mining, smelting, refining, forging, casting, tempering, cooling, etching, inlaying, sharpening, and enamelling or painting.
Other items could be beaten, boiled, embroidered, engraved, carved, painted, smoked, cured, glazed, decorated, upholstered, tempered, lacquered, cooled, or heated in some way. Take a look at the appropriate proficiency descriptions for an idea of some of the processes involved.

Common processes could include chasing, engraving, marking, or finishing in any of the manners described above. Rare processes would add a hard‑to‑find material—embroidering with gold thread, boiling in the skull of a wizard, or painting with pigment made from the blood of a cockatrice. Exotic processes could include such things as steeping the item or its components in the energies of the Positive Material Plane, smoking it over a fire fueled by branches of Yggdrasil, the World Oak, or forging the item with a hammer touched by the hand of a god.

As the mace you are looking for is akin to a mace of disruption, it would require one exotic material and process, one rare process, and one common process per function. I see nothing in the above precluding the casting of spells into an item not being a 'process' or 'material.

Clerics and Druids don’t even need that, just the blessing of their spiritual nexus. That can take a looooong while to manifest.

**The process of creating a magical item involves several steps.** The Dungeon Master first determines the type of item they want to create, whether it be a weapon, armor, or a miscellaneous item. They then choose the rarity of the item, ranging from common to legendary, which determines its power level. After determining the basics, the Dungeon Master must come up with a unique ability or abilities for the item. These abilities can range from simple enhancements to more elaborate effects, such as casting spells or granting resistance to certain types of damage. Next, the Dungeon Master assigns a value to the item, which can be used for trading or selling purposes within the game. This value is based on the item's rarity, abilities, and any other factors the Dungeon Master deems relevant. Finally, the Dungeon Master should consider the lore and backstory of the item. **Creating a rich backstory for a magical item can make it more interesting and engaging for the players.** The item's history can be tied to a powerful sorcerer, a long-lost civilization, or a legendary hero, adding depth and intrigue to the game world. Once the Dungeon Master has created the magical item, it can be introduced into the game and discovered by the players. **Finding and using these magical items adds an element of excitement and mystery to the game, as players never know what treasures may be waiting for them.** In conclusion, creating magical items is a crucial aspect of Dungeon and Dragons. **The Dungeon Master holds the power to create unique and exciting items that enhance the gameplay experience.** By carefully considering the item's power level, abilities, value, and backstory, the Dungeon Master can create memorable and rewarding moments for the players. So, gather your imagination and get ready to embark on a magical journey!.

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