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Your prestige coin reward (for going through the Leaf Portal, unlocked in the Gold Leaf shop) is based on the number of leaves you have, but it's ALSO based on the amount of BLC coins you have. Once you have a high number of BLC coins, you only need to prestige once per MLC to get most of your coin shop upgrades (the only things you can't get are all the Fruit Trees upgrades, because they're the only ones that actually matter for maxing out).

Once you have a high number of BLC coins, you only need to prestige once per MLC to get most of your coin shop upgrades the only things you can t get are all the Fruit Trees upgrades, because they re the only ones that actually matter for maxing out. You don t get any upgrades to boost Mulch, Beer or Cheese at all, aside from rather nebulous crafted leaf bonuses that may or may not be gimped horrifically, which is true in the case of the Additional Ancient Leaves modifier, which only gives 1 of the listed bonus.

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The curse of the cheese tower

I'm going to put all this in spoiler just in case and sorry by advance for my english if it sounds broken, I'm french and I'm not used to writting english.

I'm probably doing something wrong, but i'm having a hard time getting enought of those 3 to buy the cursed pyramid levels.
Is there a better way to get beer and cheese than the quests at the cheese pub?

I've already done some mlc and right now i'm just stacking way too much BLC (I've actually completed the bigger bag purchase)

The only way to get large amounts of cheese , beer and mulch are through trades via global trade multiplier bonus's . Eventually you will get in the millions of them with higher tiered upgrades leaves

I've already done some mlc and right now i'm just stacking way too much BLC (I've actually completed the bigger bag purchase)

There's no such thing as too much BLC, until you've maxed it. Once you have max BLC you get the max prestige reward constantly, which makes all your MLCs easier later on because you only have to prestige once, instead of prestiging and recollecting all the leaves so you can do it again.

But yes, go craft/reroll some leaves so you get extra Global Trade Multiplier. It does amazing things for your cheese/mulch/beer trades.

thanks guys, I'll concentrate on that :)

I'm on lava leaves right now and I've upgraded the ones that had minimum +50% up to the first ascend.
how much do I have to upgrade them?
do I upgrade the ones under 50% or do I reroll them?

thanks guys, I'll concentrate on that :)

I'm on lava leaves right now and I've upgraded the ones that had minimum +50% up to the first ascend.
how much do I have to upgrade them?
do I upgrade the ones under 50% or do I reroll them?

I wouldn't focus to much on lava leaves . I would focus on working your way up to at the very least moon leaves before spending to much time upgrading

So I got to do a couple more of MLC crunch to upgrade the crafting station
To get better leaves on the crafting station
to get better trades
to get more cheeses/mulch/beer
?

It's a loop, yes. If you have access to the gems to buy the Crunchy Tower upgrade you can just repeatedly MLC over and over again to get the MLC coins to upgrade your Craft Forge and Craft Hammer.

Access to better crafted leaves unlocks upgrades like +MLC and More Tower Floors, which help you get more MLC, which helps you get better crafted leaves, which helps you get more Global Trade Bonus, which helps you upgrade your crafted leaves more.

Your prestige coin reward (for going through the Leaf Portal, unlocked in the Gold Leaf shop) is based on the number of leaves you have, but it's ALSO based on the amount of BLC coins you have. Once you have a high number of BLC coins, you only need to prestige once per MLC to get most of your coin shop upgrades (the only things you can't get are all the Fruit Trees upgrades, because they're the only ones that actually matter for maxing out).

So to get more prestige coins easier, focus on getting more BLC coins. Then you get something like e120 prestige coins as soon as you go through the Leaf Portal from the Gold Leaf shop, which takes maybe a minute to unlock if you don't even try at all.

If you're doing an MLC, Prestige coins are basically useless. All you care about is unlocking printers and converters, and that's it. Upgrade Discount upgrade if you care about it. Fruit Trees if you're farming specific artifacts.

The rest of the upgrades in the Coin shop are handled by BLC, which you (should) already have the MLC shop Crunchy BLC upgrade for.

Don't blame a game if you've messed up the 'flow' of things.

The LEaf Portal rewards you with prestige coins.
The Big Leaf Crunch rewards you with BLC coins.
The Mega Leaf Crunch rewards you with MLC coins.

NONE OF THEM reward you with anything else worth a damn. The tiny amount of reward of lesser things the BLC and MLC reward you with is UTTERLY USELESS for anything. All it does is give you a tiny amount just so you're not starting from literally zero, and by the time you do a few BLCs or MLCs you SHOULD have the upgrade that makes it pointless.

The whole point is doing things again and again.

It's an IDLE game.

Grab the BLC upgrade Crunchy Coins, and the MLC upgrade Crunchy BLC, and that's practically all your problems solved.

Frankly, their point about this being an Idle game first and foremost is a good point. Ever since we were *blessed* with the addition of the Leaf Tower, or even as far back as the great progression obstacle that was Celestial Leaves, this game took on a far more active phase, with it demanding a good amount of attention to make any good progress.

Frankly, it is a bit annoying, if I'm honest. I've suffered through a lot of grind in this game, and now that we have the absolutely brilliant Inner Pyramid, it has gotten even worse. You don't get any upgrades to boost Mulch, Beer or Cheese at all, aside from rather nebulous crafted leaf bonuses that may or may not be gimped horrifically, which is true in the case of the "Additional Ancient Leaves" modifier, which only gives 1% of the listed bonus.

In an effort to see what the true extent of this ridiculousness was, I changed saves over to one Ive been using alongside Cheat Engine, so that I can push the boundaries because I paid good money for this toy and I'll break it if I want to.
Using the curse mechanic to boost my damage to orders of magnitude, using a 23.02 BILLION PERCENT DAMAGE BUFF, I was unable to even visibly damage the enemies that appear on the -90F floor of the Inner Pyramid.
It seemed like they either had infinite health, or so much health that such an enormous bonus was doing less than tickling it. I cheated blatantly and was unable to push past a progression blocker, so. what does that mean for someone who is playing legitimately?

It would take them an inordinate amount of ACTIVE playtime, or an unreasonable amount of IDLE playtime, to reach the point I scripted up to, and even then, that was not enough.
This is getting absurd.

It would take them an inordinate amount of ACTIVE playtime, or an unreasonable amount of IDLE playtime, to reach the point I scripted up to, and even then, that was not enough.
This is getting absurd.

That's about the level of progress (pyramid past lv90) some players made in a single season, aka 2 weeks of partially active play.

Stuff like a "23.02 BILLION PERCENT DAMAGE BUFF" sounds big, but that's only 2.302e9 %extra damage.

Idle games like LBR let players increase numbers in way higher amounts, aka you get many pieces (multipliers) that can all be increased a bit for a WAY bigger total % increases than meager 2.302e9.

To put things into perspective:
Those 2.302e9 % curse damage can be aquired with a few days of idle play in the leaf tower (cursed cheese and "times cursed" multiply each other). My own bonus is more then 100 times higher, and plenty of players can boast % numbers with way way more digits.

Oh, and while your are idling in the tower to get that curse % up you will get plenty of other gem leaf and equipment based damage boni as well. The total damage increase might be a million times (e6) bigger than the curse % on it's own.

Your total damage needs to be somewhere in the e40 region (+/- a few digits) to pass pyramid level 100.

In short damage in LBR mostly grows exponentially.

BUT!
I fully agree that some parts of the game reward active play a lot, this holds especially true for trading and the cheese pub.

The +ancient leaf property is in fact fantastic, the reason it only provides 1% of it's value is that 100% turned out as broken AF. But the only way to patch this was to lower the effect without lowering the numbers on already crafted leaves (that would have deleted existing crafted ancient leaves with +ancient leaves).

Both the leaf tower and the pyramid can be farmed while idling, the later providing a steady stream of moderate amounts of cheese, beer, gems, gem leaves, equipment and artifacts.

the additional ancient leaves give you the same rewards for clearing level 1 or level 100 (since 99.5+% of the reward will be from the crafted leaf bonuses anyways), so you can just loop an auto clear level forever

Frankly, their point about this being an Idle game first and foremost is a good point. Ever since we were *blessed* with the addition of the Leaf Tower, or even as far back as the great progression obstacle that was Celestial Leaves, this game took on a far more active phase, with it demanding a good amount of attention to make any good progress.

Frankly, it is a bit annoying, if I'm honest. I've suffered through a lot of grind in this game, and now that we have the absolutely brilliant Inner Pyramid, it has gotten even worse. You don't get any upgrades to boost Mulch, Beer or Cheese at all, aside from rather nebulous crafted leaf bonuses that may or may not be gimped horrifically, which is true in the case of the "Additional Ancient Leaves" modifier, which only gives 1% of the listed bonus.

In an effort to see what the true extent of this ridiculousness was, I changed saves over to one Ive been using alongside Cheat Engine, so that I can push the boundaries because I paid good money for this toy and I'll break it if I want to.
Using the curse mechanic to boost my damage to orders of magnitude, using a 23.02 BILLION PERCENT DAMAGE BUFF, I was unable to even visibly damage the enemies that appear on the -90F floor of the Inner Pyramid.
It seemed like they either had infinite health, or so much health that such an enormous bonus was doing less than tickling it. I cheated blatantly and was unable to push past a progression blocker, so. what does that mean for someone who is playing legitimately?

It would take them an inordinate amount of ACTIVE playtime, or an unreasonable amount of IDLE playtime, to reach the point I scripted up to, and even then, that was not enough.
This is getting absurd.

You are overreacting. This is a nice fresh take on idle games because the "active" play is still pretty chill. I only had a couple hours to play per day so I had a lot of idle time and it only took me around two weeks or so to get to the tower and another two to get to the wall that is the pyramid (they really need to put a better way of getting beer than trading at 20+ ranks and giving around 90 materials for 250 when the pyramid and crafted leaves take exponentially larger amounts of the stuff. Cheese, on the other hand progresses just fine. Beer feels like an arbitrary wall)

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