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Just curious. How important do you feel that it is to post every story of a magician accused or convicted of a sex crime?

I received an email challenging me to post a story that I have been aware of for some time, but which I have not made reference to on my site simply because of a lack of a solid story in mainstream news to point to, outside of a short blurb in a police blotter. The email that I received also implied that it wasn't being discussed because of pressure from advertisers, (which is completely untrue BTW). I simply get sick of these stories and keep my reporting on them to bare bones references to online news reporting.

What are your thoughts?

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Post by Raleigh » August 12th, 2010, 11:52 am

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Post by Magic Newswire » August 12th, 2010, 12:13 pm

I understand what you are saying, but there are many stories that I come across daily that have some connection to magic that are not posted simply because they are just not that interesting. In the case of the arrest and conviction of Mr. Pace, there was just nothing to link to reporting on the case.

Typically when I do report on these, it is in the format of "According to The Bummerville Journal, ."

Without that, I'm not just linking to a mug shot or to a prison status search.

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Post by Seuss » August 12th, 2010, 12:38 pm

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Post by CraigMitchell » August 12th, 2010, 1:14 pm

Dodd . in the case of the Jim Pace story - it should have been reported. The fact that nothing has been mentioned previously is quite bizarre considering how fast news normally travels . the lack of available detail is most peculiar .

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Post by Seuss » August 12th, 2010, 1:31 pm

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Post by Richard Kaufman » August 12th, 2010, 1:34 pm

My own view, which I have stated in Genii, is that I now only report on criminal activity when the party is convicted. So, the Jim Pace thing should be reported--it's pretty foul:

He's not going to be out of jail for a long time.

Ditto for the Franky Houdini piece. He's been convicted and people in our community should be made aware.

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Post by Seuss » August 12th, 2010, 1:44 pm

Wow. Pace was apparently plead down from the look of the original charges.

Odd that I can't find any reporting on this in the media.

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Post by Anthony Vinson » August 12th, 2010, 4:42 pm

Not a terrible policy, Richard, but following that logic we'd never have heard about OJ's little escapade, at least until after the civil trial.

Dodd, I agree with your decision to hold off publishing a story until it has been posted in at least one mainstream publication. Otherwise it would seem to be speculation at best and sensationalism at worst. Police blotters are simply running commentaries of incidents and such that occurred during a particular shift and not all entries make it into the journals. Personally I am not interested in reading the Weekly World Magic Newswire - Maintain your integrity and ignore the detractors!

Funny, my wife and I were discussing a similar topic earlier this week. While on a business trip to Chattanooga, TN she picked up a copy of Just Busted, a weekly newspaper that prints the mugshots, names and charge of everyone arrested in surrounding counties the previous week. Everything from aggravated assault and rape to driving without a license and public intoxication. Page after page of smiling, snarling, scowling, sad faces. While a disclaimer advocating "innocence till proven" is listed on several pages, in the court of public opinion the verdict is in the moment someone recognizes a face. Or a name.

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Post by Tabman » August 12th, 2010, 4:55 pm

Anthoyn Vinson wrote: . she picked up a copy of Just Busted, a weekly newspaper that prints the mugshots, names and charge of everyone arrested in surrounding counties the previous week.

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Post by Brad Henderson » August 12th, 2010, 5:01 pm

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Post by Magic Newswire » August 12th, 2010, 6:03 pm

CraigMitchell wrote: Dodd . in the case of the Jim Pace story - it should have been reported. The fact that nothing has been mentioned previously is quite bizarre considering how fast news normally travels . the lack of available detail is most peculiar .

I simply couldn't find any more info that OI had already posted, a booking photo and a police blotter. There was no news article that I could find. I shared this info with Justin at iTricks by text yesterday who was totally unaware of it before that.

This was the only one of these stories that I had yet to post, simply because of a lack of news coverage to link to.

It has been discussed in Penguins forums as early as June and Jim's wife even entered into the discussion. There was also thread at the Magic Cafe for a bit that was later deleted, so it wasn't as if no one was talking about it.

In fact, I do maintain a Magicians Offenders entry which is updated as convictions occur. It even includes Infantino who was sentenced this year, but I haven't seen it discussed since his arrest was announced. Oh, BTW, the GA magician listed above and in my entry, please guilty and was sentenced to 20 years as well. These stories just make me sick!

The Pace story was added this morning to that same entry.

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Post by Tim Ellis » August 12th, 2010, 6:46 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote: My own view, which I have stated in Genii, is that I now only report on criminal activity when the party is convicted.

I agree with that policy Richard.

A few years ago I was prevented from joining a local magic club because the President (who doesn't like me) circulated rumours that two members had "restraining orders" against me. He refused to present any proof of his allegations (as they were false), but most people simply believed him and didn't want to hear any more about it (like the fact that it wasn't true).

There is way too much gossip in the magic world already, no need to add to it.

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Post by Richard Kaufman » August 12th, 2010, 7:32 pm

Tim, if that happened to you in the United States, you would have good grounds for a lawsuit against the president of the local club.

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Post by Tim Ellis » August 12th, 2010, 8:23 pm

I tried to resolve the matter diplomatically, as everyone in the club was feeling "uncomfortable" and just wanted the situation to go away.

Things calmed down, then heated up again and by the time I decided to pursue this guy with a lawyer I discovered I only had a two year window of opportunity within which to sue him and it had already expired.

It's sad to think that some situations in a magic club have to be resolved by lawyers. I'll know to act more swiftly next time instead of assuming common sense will prevail.

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Post by Smurf » August 12th, 2010, 8:45 pm

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That is reason enough to apply Richard's policy. This country wasted way too much time on that.[/color][/size]

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Post by Magic Newswire » August 12th, 2010, 9:06 pm

I do agree with Richard for the most part. With rare exception, I report on convictions, not on accusations. JP is a perfect example. You cannot ignore a story getting that much media attention and so . yes.. we reported on it throughout

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Post by erdnasephile » August 12th, 2010, 9:32 pm

I agree with Dodd--IMHO, if a magician is in legal trouble and the story is picked up on by major newspapers/wire services, then I think it is not unreasonable to report the story, regardless of the status of the trial.

It's part of the deal--if you make yourself a public figure and things go bad, it sometimes comes out publicly. One has no reasonable expectation of privacy in such situations--court records are public and it comes with the territory.

To put a lid on a legitimate story (and RK and DV have NOT done this IMHO) would seem to run counterintuitive to the purpose and nature of the free press.

The only caveat is the press should also be just as quick to report exonerations (e.g., Forte, Copperfield, etc.) as well. In those two cases, I think the magic press behaved very responsibly in this area.

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Post by Richard Kaufman » August 12th, 2010, 10:08 pm

I didn't report on Forte's arrest or the allegations against Copperfield, but I did write something when both were cleared of charges. These types of accusations fester in peoples' minds and until the person is found guilty, it's best to avoid being the infection that causes the pus.

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Post by Doc » August 13th, 2010, 2:14 am

Richard Kaufman wrote: I didn't report on Forte's arrest or the allegations against Copperfield, but I did write something when both were cleared of charges. These types of accusations fester in peoples' minds and until the person is found guilty, [color:#FF0000]it's best to avoid being the infection that causes the pus.[img:center]http://i33.tinypic.com/fuaoea.jpg[/img] [/color]

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Post by 000 » August 13th, 2010, 9:20 am

Scary to think what material Pace could come up with in the slammer over the next dozen years. ( Murphys stocks 11 items of his )

Also, there is no way I will perform his creation, 'The Web' again - it would remind me of the creep too much.

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Post by Jonathan Townsend » August 13th, 2010, 9:40 am

Magic Newswire wrote: Just curious. How important do you feel that it is to post every story of a magician accused or convicted of a sex crime?
.

How, specifically, is such posting/discussion useful to our community or advancing the craft of magic?

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Post by Joe Mckay » August 13th, 2010, 9:42 am

What's the big deal with Sodomy? It has being legal here in the Uk for the past 40 years.

Am I missing something?

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Post by Jonathan Townsend » August 13th, 2010, 10:02 am

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Post by Joe Mckay » August 13th, 2010, 10:21 am

Thanks for clearing that up, Jonathan.

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Post by Gregory Edmonds » August 13th, 2010, 10:48 am

Having been both a journalist and police public information officer, my view on this issue is in keeping with Dodd's and Richard's. Yes, the OJ fiasco was a blot on this country's (the United States) criminal justice history. In my experience, though, people like Mr. Simpson will usually offend again (and he did, and will likely never again see the proverbial light of day outside of prison walls).

Abuse stories of magicians (priests, youth ministers, Scoutmasters, and those of similar ilk) are particularly puerile, and are always "newsworthy." It's a quite sad but undeniable fact that pedophiles are drawn to such positions, as these positions provide them ready access to victims. We are compelled, however, to tread lightly when broaching information about the presumed guilt of another. In my aforementioned role as a public information officer, I have, of course, been responsible to insuring (as the United States Constitution establishes) that the public be informed, by way of its media representatives, when an individual has been charged with a heinous crime. The national registry of sexual offenders also, legally, requires such reporting, where and when applicable.

When such people are arrested, "the media" will naturally exploit the opportunity to sell advertising space (another sad, but true, fact) by reporting the sometimes-sordid details. Should these people be "exposed?" Of course they do, if they did what they're accused of doing. I'll remind those over the age of 40 of a case which set the precedent for the ridiculous "OJ coverage." The case received almost equal exposure in the press, and held captive the collective imagination of the country.

"Imagination" is the key word, in this event. The trial to which I allude is that of the then-infamous "McMartin Preschool" family. "Expert" witnesses daily rendered their captivating "testimony." Each told of how the children involved were maltreated, how "Satanism" (later recognized, along with all of the other allegations, to be absolute fantasy) played a major role in the event, as the nation told of ritualized abuse going on day after day.

In the end, it turned out the first couple of children interviewed, had followed the "coaching" of the adult accusers, and the rest of the children -- in true Salem Witch Trial fashion -- seeing the attention their peers were receiving, joined in. Absolutely every allegation, "fact" presented and story the children (with capable assistance of "professional" counselors) was proven untrue.

Still, the country awaited each day's testimony with baited breath. The trial was televised, and made headlines throughout the Western world, for three years. Some of the trials themselves exceeded six years in length.

When the media circus was over, the McMartin family's reputations, finances and LIVES were irrevocably ruined. All this, because a couple of children in Manhattan Beach, California, had their imaginations stoked by people who should have known better.

Allegations are only allegations, and convictions are final "proof" in the eyes of the law. Even then, of course, as we've discovered through the admission of DNA evidence over the last two decades, is often fantasy as well.

If you elect to spread rumored charges against a fellow magician (or any other human being), and you do so as a media representative (even in the tiny "world" of magic), you expose yourself, your fiduciary associates and your advertisers to potential libel suits, a reputation of being a rumormonger, and a lifetime of knowing (if, in the end, the allegations -- recall Mr. Copperfield and Mr. Forte -- are proven false) that you've injured a fellow person (and in our instance, performer or creator of illusions), quite possibly beyond repair.

Long ago, the fact was established that human beings who "believe" a thing to be true, will continue believing said thing, subsequent facts to the contrary notwithstanding. Throughout the time since, this fact has been maintained in psychological theory, and proven beyond question. We, of all people, should very carefully wrestle "illusion" from the realm of reality, when something as important as another's literal life is possibly at stake.

The attitudes established by Richard and Dodd (only mentioned because of the stance they've taken herein) are the correct attitudes. Rumors are rumors, and always will be. Yes, there are those with evil intend lurking amongst us (probably even now), but as I previously noted, time will tell in the end. I applaud these gentlemen for their respective positions.

Jim pace magician

This certainly has been a frustrating day.

Anyways. yeah, I bought Jim Pace's the Web from my local magic shop today. And after looking over the VERY brief and **** details, I have one question, and its gonna annoy me forever until I find the answer.

Does anyone know what the adhesive used in the trick is? The idea of using a trick which will eventually run out and having no idea where to get refills is really annoying. So if anyone knows what the adhesive is, or any adhesive that works as well as that, or where to get refills, please put your gracious ideas into text and press that wonderful post button on the bottom of the page.

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.” - Albert Einstein

Hi Porcupine,
Just use double sided tape that you get from a newsagent.One roll will last for ages.I laminated the cards and I've had the same spider ever since the trick came out[many years ago]It,s a great trick,porcupine!

Fantastic effect! Everytime I perform the effect on a female, I get screams.
I use "Scotch" Clear Mounting Squares And cut it to shape. It's real tacky! "Wal-mart" carries it by the way.
Cheers,
Gerry
Thoughts have wings

I posted this in another forum. however I feel some here may be interested. I just published a cute little poem that goes with this effect quite nicely. and it works very well for the Halloween season. You can find it in the October issue of MUM.

I hope this helps,
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Thanx ppl, now I sigh my sigh of relief. the above has been gold to my mind.

btw, wut's blu-tac?

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.” - Albert Einstein

Craft Glue Dots is the same type of adhesive. I got them at Hobby Lobby but you could probably find them at any hobby/craft store.

My advice is be careful with this trick. If you should happen to do it for someone who suffers from arachnaphobia, you are in for a nightmare. It almost sent this person to the hospital. Not funny and will kill your show, I assure you. Haven't done the trick since this incident.

That is exactly why I have never bought this trick and most likely never will. Although it might be fun to perform on friends and people close to you that understand you, in magic, I always like to keep the laugh on me.

In loving memory of Hughie Thomasson 1952-2007.

You brought something beautiful to this world, you touched my heart, my soul and my life. You will be greatly missed.

Until we meet again “my old friend”.

Guess what,if you start the trick off with a fairly good size, the only thing that you will have to do is take a lighter and torch the goo ball, just enough to make it sticky again.
I am presently still using the same one after 3 months. L&L Publishing will sell you more.
Jim pace
PS
The Web will out impact any other trick that you are presently doing.
I agree with the comments regarding performances, any one who has performed this effect knows that they had better be careful and not just perform it anywhere and everywhere.
Read the artical in this months issue of Linking Ring, for a fresh idea on this subject.

I glued a fuzzy, black pom-pom to the spider.

I almost got punched by a woman's husband. She had a terrible fear of spiders, and the situation turned ugly real quick!

I had an idea for this trick that lets the spectator know there is a spider involved beforehand, but still keeps the impact of the original ending. It is slightly bizarre and would take some time to make but elevates it from a card trick. It is somewhere in the Bizarre section of this site, I think under the heading 'amber'.

Look behind you. on your left. thats the real world.

Jim, the spider I got with mine hod most of the legs off. Any ideas where to get one?

I had a very interesting experience some time ago. Performing close up at a high class banquet I approached one table with my usual friendly smile. One of the females at the table looked at me with a horrified look on her face and said "Oh no not a ******* magician !" and literally ran out of the room. One of her companions exlained that this lady had a terrible fear of spiders, and a magician had performed The Web for her. Apparently this induced a severe panic attack, the woman was taken quite ill and her phobia had been made MUCH worse. Although you might feel that this gets a great reaction I would STRONGLY suggest that you exercise great caution on where you use it.

Sorry, Jim, but IMHO it is simply a bad, bad, bad idea to perform this trick. It is not good magic. Please don't pretend that it is.

It does have shock value but, as has been described here twice already, shock value is not necessarily a good thing.

"Impact"? Hitting someone's finger with a hammer has impact, too, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Or good magic.

Like Bonnie Raitt said, "I miss Little Feat more than I miss being 8 years old." Thanks for the concerts + recordings, Lowell, Richie, and Paul!

Steve,
Ease up man! I appreciate your opinion. I am curious though. The Web is probably one of the best sellers of magic in recent times. Just ask L&L Publishing. It was performed on national TV by Lance Burton, and others. Some of magics finest have Emailed me their personal routines. In 10 years it has built quite a reputation as possibly the scariest card trick on the planet.
Steve, if The Web does not fall into the magic catagory, why do you think that it is selling so well?

Those of you who are reading this I am in no way upset with Steve he sounds intelligent and humble, I have just had this conversation many times in many years, and not one person has convinced me to leave The Web at home. Michael Ammar once said to me that he could not see the magic in my effect, but he orderd one to take with him on his lecture tour in Germany. Two days later he left a message on my phone and said". I think that I am begining to understand your effect. could you send me 50 pieces?"

Steve, keep playing TO their hearts, and I'll keep playing WITH them.

Much Resepct,
Jim Pace

I know Jim. He's a good man, a smart guy, and one of the best magicians I've ever seen. He knows good magic. He does beautiful work with cards, coins and more. The Web is just one of many routines he has created, and I have seen him blow people away with it. They were amazed at the way the cards changed and surprised at the appearance of the spider--to them it CLEARLY WAS good magic!

As he said, it is not for everybody, and it is not an "all the time" trick. I'm sure he doesn't do it table-hopping at restaurants. If you do not know how to read people well, don't do it. Obviously, you shouldn't perform it for 80-year-olds or people that you know fear spiders.

I own The Web and I have for years, since Jim first put it on the market. I use it sparingly, but when the time is right, it is, in point of fact, exceptionally strong magic. I have never sent anyone to the hospital, and I have never been accused of having bad taste or an "abuse" act or "insult" act.

Just because something isn't for you or isn't appropriate for every person or performing venue does not mean it is bad magic or that its creator should in any way be demeaned. I'll say it again, Jim Pace is one of the best magicians I've ever seen, and I will personally vouch for his character and integrity. If you don't like the Web, don't do it, but just because it doesn't suit you in no way makes it "bad magic."

"Love God, laugh more, spend more time with the ones you love, play with children, do good to those in need, and eat more ice cream. There is more to life than magic tricks." - Scott F. Guinn
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Scott, well said, the first time I saw the web I loved it. And the wheel(s) in my head started turning as to how I could use what is obviously a cool effect into something a little more audience friendly.

I wanted to put the laugh on me but everything I came up with seemed to hokey so I moved on to other things. I would be very intrested as to any ideas you have, and I will also be sure to check out that article in the linking ring.

In loving memory of Hughie Thomasson 1952-2007.

You brought something beautiful to this world, you touched my heart, my soul and my life. You will be greatly missed.

Until we meet again “my old friend”.

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Today, when you order "The Web by Jim Pace - Performed by Lance Burton", you'll instantly be emailed a Penguin Magic gift certificate. You can spend it on anything you like at Penguin, just like cash. Just complete your order as normal, and within seconds you'll get an email with your gift certificate.

The Web by Jim Pace - Performed by Lance Burton

It's Reaction Time. Jim Pace's "The Web" will out-impact any other effect in your repertoire. Highly Recommended. Possibly the scariest card trick in the world.

If you want to go for the jugular and take no prisoners, The Web gets a more visceral reaction than any card effect you've performed!

In fact, there are some people you simply should not do this effect for because while it starts out so innocently, you end with such a startling punch!

This makes 'em jump up and scream! Four blank cards are counted onto the spectator's palm-up hand. Then pictures of spider webs appear and disappear from the faces of the cards. To conclude, the spectator is asked to wave his hands over the cards. As he does, he discovers a large, realistic spider on the back of his hand! At the right time, in the right place, this receives an unprecedented response-you will make people scream!

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Comes complete with special cards on Bicycle stock, adhesive, spider and detailed instructions.

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Hi guys! I loved the trick but I am new to magic , so when the instructions said 'Do the flushtration count into their hand" I had NO CLUE how to perform this move!! A very bad omission from the instructions! It should have shown this move. It was VERY frustrating. I found the "move" online & so was able to do the trick which I enjoy, I look forward to getting more magic tricks from you.
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Overall this is a good trick and very easy to perform. I gave this two stars because over the years this effect's materials' quality have been getting worse. I bought this years ago and again recently. It now comes with blue tac instead of an adhesive sheet it use to come with. I have a lot of trouble with the blue tac sticking which ruins the trick. The old adhesive worked better in my opinion. Also the spider's legs were thicker and overall more durable than the flimsy spider it comes with now. The cards are still bicycle quality cards. If you don't know how its done and want great reactions get this trick. Just be advised you may have to look for another adhesive and upgrade the spider which are available everywhere during Halloween.

For ten bucks, you can't go wrong. Its very easy to do. You may think it's too bold, but if you talk and engage them; all is good.

You can really scare the pants off some people that hate spiders.
This is also a great beginner trick for someone to start out with.

I recommend it for sure.

And yes; I really do live in North Pole, Alaska.
Santa gives this one a thumbs up too!

I have been doing this trick since I was six I am now 22. Its a great effect it has magic, comedy and a Tad frightful. With alot of practice this a great trick for amateurs and professionals alike .

I am a professional magician from Mexico.
Buy it now, also white deck whit back either blue or red. later if you know the secret you can make your own whit creativity.

Kevin James once said that you must get either laughs or fear in your expectator. this one definitely gets fear reactions.

If u need a trick that requires audience participation and one that gets great reactions look no further. In fact the reaction u get from this (screaming) is guaranteed to draw a bigger crowd.

This is more of a little gag than it is magic. I think it works best when done for girls than boys. Some of them will turn their hand over and scream but they very quickly realize that it's fake. The downside is that a lot of people can feel the spider on their hand before the climax. Don't buy this if you are looking for a good magic trick though.

Please get this trick. I did not buy this trick, again, I did not buy this trick but I used my own equipments to make this trick. People actually freak out, especially girls. Today I did this trick to 2 persons (1 girl and 1 woman). The girl actually cried after I did this trick and the woman she yelled out. Get this trick now!
These are some Pros and Cons about this trick:
Pros: Great reaction, easy to carry around, "silent attachment" on the hand, can be performed anywhere anytime.
Cons: Can't perform this trick twice. Can't perform with men or tired persons(they wont be scared).
FINAL WORDS: ADD TO CART

This trick is a truly awesome trick. If your like me you like to really devestate people with your magic and have them saying how did you do that and what. If your like that you should get the trick but you will only use it every once in a while. It is also wery cheap on Penguin, it is about 17 or 18 dollars at my local magic shop. This trick is not very good for stage or parlor shows but it is good for stand up, cocktail, or other walk around gigs. Altogheter it is another great trick from Jim Pace

It's pretty scary alright. For both the spectater and the performer because it takes gutts to do it. Also like the other reviews said you have to pick and chose your spectaters. But it is worth it. I don't know why some say that the spider isn't realistc. It scares the bujeepers out of them.

p.s. thanks penguin for the lighting fast shipping

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2. Mark - 2 stars - I purchased the Love Honey Magic Wand based on the recommendation of a friend, but I found it to be quite underwhelming. The vibrations were not as intense as I had anticipated, and the wand was not very user-friendly. The controls were not intuitive, and I found myself struggling to find the right settings. Additionally, I found the cord to be quite short, which made it difficult to use comfortably. I think there are better options out there for a similar price range.

3. Sarah - 1 star - I had high hopes for the Love Honey Magic Wand, but unfortunately, it did not live up to my expectations. The vibrations were weak and not very satisfying, and the wand itself felt cheaply made. The material felt flimsy and the design lacked durability. The noise level was also a major drawback for me, as it was quite loud and not discreet at all. Overall, I was highly disappointed with this product and would not recommend it to others.

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