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Runcible Spoon

Runcible Spoon
Aura Moderate Conjuration (healing); CL 9th
Slot -; Price 14,575; Weight 1 lb
Description
A Runcible Spoon is a battered iron ladle with slight blunted teeth lining the cup. When a poisoned food or drink is placed in the spoon, it magically extracts the poison into a purple bubble, which floats above the Spoon and can be handled as if it were made of glass. When touched to a bottle or vial, the bubble transfers the poison into the container and pops. The spoon can be used once per day in this manner. Alternatively the spoon can be placed on the chest of a victim suffering from poison, curses, petrification, magical or mundane diseases or any other persistent condition short of death. The Spoon will glow purple, hum slightly and shatter, destroying itself and ending the affliction. Runcible Spoons are highly sought after for this reason, being one of the few things that can end a fairy curse.
Construction
Runcible Spoons are difficult to construct, requiring the breath of a Gorgon, the poison of a Dark Naga and the spit of a Gibbering Mouther. These components are added to the iron during forging, giving the Spoon its purplish tone. Failure to add these components nearly always leads to the creation of a Poisoned Spoon instead.
Requirements Create Wondrous Item, neutralize poison, break enchantment , special components (see above); Cost 7,237 gp

Clark Peterson Legendary Games, Necromancer Games Dec 7, 2009, 10:45 am

On par for costing with a periapt of wound closure.

I like this idea. I'm not sure I am too fond of the description of "can be placed on the chest of a victim suffering from poison, curses, petrification, magical or mundane diseases or any other persistent condition short of death." That's basically a "cure anything once" item, short of death. Does that apply to special abilities from monsters? For instance, it mentions petrification, but is that only petrification from some poison, or is it from a gaze attack? Or from a spell or magic item too? How about confusion or other mind altering things? Does it fix those too? What about effects that by their description are only fixed by a wish? Does this overwrite those conditions? Or perhaps curses or things that can only be removed by a remove curse or some other limited means? It suggests it overwrites those restrictions.

I really think this needs more details on what, exactly, it can remove. But maybe I am wrong. Maybe it literally cures "any persistent affliction" (whatever that is in game terms) short of death. If so, then I think this one does too much.

I'm interested in what you two have to say.

I will admit, unless Pathfinder does this and I just dont know about it, I dont like hard wiring the exotic ingredients into the construction.

Sean K Reynolds Contributor Dec 7, 2009, 07:26 pm

Before I say anything else, let me point out that the runcible spoon IS A REAL ITEM FROM EARTH:

It's like naming your Superstar item "longsword" or "astrolabe" or "ice skate." The name doesn't tell me anything about the item's MAGIC because the name is the name of a real item.

To me, that's criteria for auto-reject. I mean, come on, can't you have any originality in the NAME of your item? What's next, "Bob's cloak"?

Nope, we don't do that.

Clark Peterson Legendary Games, Necromancer Games Dec 17, 2009, 10:17 am

Wes, share your wisdom with us.

Clark Peterson Legendary Games, Necromancer Games Dec 18, 2009, 09:19 am

I dont know, Sean. I'm not with you on this. Runcible is a nonsense word and the spoon is from a poem, apparently. The same complaint you make could be lodged against the vorpal blade from Jabberwocky. I certainly wouldnt say vorpal blade is a bad name. I think the runcible spoon is the same. Its not a "real" name/word. If it was, I would agree with you. To me its more like vorpal blade than longsword.

I actually really like the name. I happen to think the name is inspired and literate.

I strongly urge you to reconsider your criticism in light of my vorpal blade example.

[edit: I see your wiki link includes a link to vorpal blade, thus strengthening my argument.]

Now, on to the item itself.

Sean K Reynolds Contributor Dec 20, 2009, 10:08 am

But read further down in that wikipedia entry and you get to this:

"However, since the 1920s (several decades after Lear's death), modern dictionaries have generally defined a runcible spoon to be a fork with three broad curved prongs and a sharpened edge, used with pickles or hors d'oeuvres, such as a pickle fork.[6] It is occasionally used as a synonym for spork."

"It is also sometimes used to mean a "grapefruit spoon", a spoon with serrated edges around the bowl, and sometimes to mean a serving-spoon with a slotted bowl."

Yes, it originated as a nonsense word, but it's had a specific real-world meaning for over 80 years now. Yes, Gygax took the nonsense word "vorpal" and made a game thing out of it, but this guy missed the boat of doing the same for "runcible" by about 60 years--it already has a meaning. It's as if someone invented a new type of brain-surgery in the 20s and called it a "vorpal," then someone comes along and submits a "vorpal sword" magic item that cuts off heads--sorry, in this alternate universe, vorpal already has a definition.

Perhaps this is my version of your backstory pet peeve. :)

The item isn't bad, though it needs to be clarified, hardwires the exotic components into the item description, and the item name tells you nothing about what the item does.

Clark Peterson Legendary Games, Necromancer Games Dec 20, 2009, 10:29 am

Fair enough. Sporks arent exactly superstar. :)

F. Wesley Schneider Contributor Dec 20, 2009, 02:39 pm

I like this item up to the fifth sentence. It's not terribly busted, being of limited effect and its best use breaks it - which is a fine limiting factor, though even that should force some kind of save or check (this should not be able to break even a god's curse, for example).

Here's the weird bit: the "runcible" part totally doesn't bother me. There's a very vague line out there that separates Easter egg from literary allusion. I hate real world, pop culture, half-clever Easter eggs. Literary allusions, though, when they're from fantasy, folklore, and horror, tend not to bug me. I can cite at least a dozen already at large in Golarion. Most folks won't get them, those who do, well, they get a smile and nod along with their "Smartie Point."

All that being said, after the 5th sentence the item just starts digging its grave with its needless special components and the fairy curse mention and the undefined "poison spoon".

Clark Peterson Legendary Games, Necromancer Games Dec 20, 2009, 11:32 pm

Wes, I agree with you. Its got flaws. But is this inspired enough, more than the other stuff we saw, to make you want to keep this.

F. Wesley Schneider Contributor Jan 10, 2010, 01:58 pm

In hindsight, and with the perspective of the other several hundred, I like this item far more than I did initially. The effect is useful and self limiting. Good stuff.

Clark Peterson Legendary Games, Necromancer Games Jan 11, 2010, 09:49 pm

By the way, it gives a nod to being a spork (teeth line the cup).

Neil Spicer Contributor, RPG Superstar 2009, RPG Superstar Judgernaut Jan 15, 2010, 12:40 pm

I'm going to come at this maybe a little differently than some of the judges did. First, I like that you selected a physical object for your item that's an everyday normal thing. and then layered on some magical effects for it. Associating poison transference and a "medicine" cure-all ability with a spoon is acceptable. I don't know very many people who would even know that a runcible spoon exists. Sporks? Sure. But no one I know calls them a runcible spoon. So, I'm not gonna knock you much for the name.

Now something I will critique a little is the glomming on of the second tier ability. Granted, the spoon shatters and is lost carrying out the function of rescuing someone from any manner of aflliction (short of death), but I guess I just hesitate to grant such a one-time cure-all for 14,575 gp. If you had limited it to just neutralize poison, I would have been okay with it, because that would actually tighten up your theme that much better. But curses, petrification, magical or mundane diseases, etc. just goes too far, in my opinion. Also, you didn't do yourself any favors with the toss-away comment about it being one of the few things that can end a fairy curse. And believe me, I love me some fairy curses. So it hurts me to say that about your item. If you're going to mention something like that, I think you need to feature that ability and explain exactly what it entails. Under the Pathfinder RPG, we have many curses that get described, but none of them detail a specific fairy curse. So, name-dropping that into the magic item leaves me wondering more about the fairy curses than the runcible spoon.

On the other hand, I really do like this item's first ability. Taking poison out of one substance and transferring it to another via the magic of the spoon is quite nice. In fact, I think you could have focused more intently on that ability and made the spoon more useful by allowing it to draw forth a monster's poison. or a plant's poison. and so on. making it easy to transfer and store it for eventual use in some other application. In fact, rather than just using neutralize poison on someone suffering from poison, it would be extra cool if the runcible spoon could draw that out of them and then "save" and transfer the poison back into a bottle or vial for re-use or alchemical analysis.

Now for some nitpicks: You should lower-case "Moderate Conjuration" in your Aura description. Your spells should appear in alphabetical order within your construction requirements. And, you go back and forth referring to your item as "Spoon" and "spoon" several different times in your description paragraph. It's better to lower-case it and italicize it if you're mentioning the item's full name -- runcible spoon -- and just lower-case "spoon" when you're describing it generically. Lastly, The full paragraph description of the special components in the construction requirements threw me. I don't think I've ever seen a precendent established for listing out rare and unusual components required in an item's crafting. Usually, such stuff is just assumed. And I think your entry would have been stronger to exclude this stuff and focus more on your descriptive text instead.

But, you know what? None of that matters now. Those are small quibbles that don't amount to hill of beans now that you've joined the ranks of RPG Superstar. Congratulations on catching the judges' collective eyes with a reasonable, well-crafted idea for a wondrous item. If I have any advice for you, it would be shore up some of those problem areas I described above. Find the core of whatever idea you're working on and polish it down to a fine sheen. Avoid layering in stuff that clutters it up or detracts from your core theme. That will serve to draw your audience in and keep them under your enthrall effect. Best of luck in the next round!

Eric Bailey RPG Superstar 2009 Top 4 , Star Voter Season 6 aka raidou Jan 17, 2010, 05:34 pm
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