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Why does anyone want a magic staff?

Another thread has focused my attention on the extraordinarily high cost of staves. I really want to understand the math here. It's incomprehensible to me, and now I'm responsible for a game world. I hope that someone can describe any kind of cost-effectiveness for staves.

Let's look at a Staff of Life, book price over 109k gp. It has two capabilities (Heal & Raise Dead), so it's simple to work with. Furthermore, let's assume that it's being wielded by a 16th level caster, w/ a casting stat of at least 22, and some unrelated domain or mystery.

Any 16th-level wielder can cure up to a total of 1,500 HP between ten Heals. To get comparable curing from 11th-level scrolls, you'd need 14 Heal scrolls at a total cost of 23k -- an initial savings of very nearly 87k over the staff. Throw in 2 Raise Dead scrolls for over 12k and you've doubled its capabilities while still saving 74k!

The thing is, the wielder can recharge the staff "for free" -- by essentially casting one Heal a day for no immediate effect. During downtime, this really is free, but giving the party even one staff to recharge now means the GM has to allow for ten days of downtime between adventures. And in the field it can be bitterly expensive.

We can eliminate the warpriest class right away: that 6th-level slot is half of the allotment that a very wise 16th-level warpriest gets! (And with no higher-level spells yet.) Exorbitant.

But even our 22-WIS cleric likely regrets having to dedicate 1 out of only 4 6th-level slots to trying to keep the staff fresh. (Admittedly, he has a 6th-level domain spell & a handful of 7th- & 8th-level spells to turn to, as well.) As it turns out, 68 11th-level scrolls of Heal cost slightly more than the staff does & heal slightly less than 50 total staff charges @16th do. So after a whopping 40 opportunity-high-cost recharges (on top of the initial 10), our cleric can finally call his staff a financial bargain -- although there is still that opportunity cost for continuing to recharge it. Given that the cleric can buy the scrolls a bit at a time, but has to buy the staff all at once (whether buying it in the market or out of WBL loot), I think the scrolls win.

Our oracle, by contrast, has a luxurious allotment of 7 6th-level daily spell slots, along with a goodly number of 7th & 8th ones to turn to instead, so squandering one on a staff recharge is arguably cheap for her -- as long as she would naturally want to learn either Heal or Raise Dead. If she doesn't, you see, recharging this staff has now cost her a bitterly hoarded resource. Without spending other valuable resources on spells known (such as a feat or favored class bonus), she can never know more than 7 5th- & 6th-level spells combined! And then you realize that if she did learn Heal in order to recharge her staff. she can just cast Heal as the occasion arises. She doesn't need scrolls! So for Heals, the oracle's balance sheet shows a 109k savings over not buying a Staff of Life.

Now we get to using the staff for Raise Dead, with its 5k material component. Given that there isn't any obvious rule that you have to spend material components on recharges, a Staff of Life sure looks likely to be a bargain, for cleric & oracle alike. Now only 18 scrolls of Raise Dead top the cost of the Staff. Unfortunately, Raise Dead costs 5 charges, so that represents the 10 initial charges plus 80 re-charges. Oh, no, it's worse! And if you need 18 or more Raise Deads after you become high enough level to start recharging a Staff of Life, maybe something else should have changed.

That example was theoretical, asked because I'm starting to GM Pathfinder. The next one is rather dearer to my heart.

I play a 10th-lvel sorceress, and have had a 52k Staff of Illumination foisted off on me as my share of a big haul. I've resented the apportionment, even though I agree that (a) the staff will be highly useful against magical darkness & undead and (b) I'm the best party-member to wield it. Unfortunately, being able recharge this baby is going to have to wait six levels. (Although it will be cheap to swap a cantrip out when the time comes, to qualify.)

Now that I look at the 10th-level math, I'm thinking that I'm better off selling the staff and buying 5 scrolls of Daylight & 3 scrolls of Sunburst for a total cost of 11k. I'm getting double the staff's maximum function and still profiting almost 15k. But I don't think that I'd consider the staff a good deal even when I can recharge it at 16th level. Surely I'll have better things to do with an 8th-level spell slot!

Is there a school of wizardry that would consider a 52k Staff of Illumination worth using? (Given that wizards can write their own scrolls when they have downtime, it seems highly unlikely. )

Now we get to using the staff for Raise Dead, with its 5k material component. Given that there isn't any obvious rule that you have to spend material components on recharges, a Staff of Life sure looks likely to be a bargain, for cleric & oracle alike. Now only 18 scrolls of Raise Dead top the cost of the Staff. Unfortunately, Raise Dead costs 5 charges, so that represents the 10 initial charges plus 80 re-charges. Oh, no, it's worse! And if you need 18 or more Raise Deads after you become high enough level to start recharging a Staff of Life, maybe something else should have changed.

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