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Advantages of Church Vassals(Pagan and Christian)?

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unmerged(751237)

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It seems in CK2 LPs and stuff that people really like having church vassals for every tier. I know some of the advantages(they don't have the "wants blah duchy/kingdom thing", etc.) but I heard that there are a lot more and I'm wondering if I should bother doing it in my new save. So, could anyone tell me the advantages of church vassals for pagans and christians(might convert at some point).

Agnostik

Charlamange, the Gravel King

- They don't get a negative modifier for high crown authority.
- They don't intermarry and blob.
- They don't have claims for anything.
- They like you even more if you're head of religion (Reformed Norse) or have Free Investiture (Catholic).

Cymsdale

High Warlord

Ahaz Flagg

Captain

I prefer lord mayors by a big margin over church vassals. I think that might be a nice poll. I am thinking you would get a 33%, 33% 33% split on this.

I would need a lot more convincing on not using Lord Mayors. I have read most of the arguments. But the bottom line for me is, GOLD!! Gold is king in my games. And you just cannot make as much Gold with Church Vassals. I am sure there will be those awesome players who dispute this claim. But, having tried all 3 ways for myself. I will just say, I call bull crap.

Mr_jon3s

Colonel

On medium taxes you get tons of money and you if you go on elective succession thats a + 20 opinion modifer. Then if your on free investiture thats a +25 opinion modifer and if the guy has a bishop under him thats another +10. So right off the bat on every ruler you have a +55 opinion modifer and if you have any of the seven virtues thats another 5-15 opinion modifer. This makes for very stable realms like no ciivil wars or plots.

unmerged(751237)

Banned

On medium taxes you get tons of money and you if you go on elective succession thats a + 20 opinion modifer. Then if your on free investiture thats a +25 opinion modifer and if the guy has a bishop under him thats another +10. So right off the bat on every ruler you have a +55 opinion modifer and if you have any of the seven virtues thats another 5-15 opinion modifer. This makes for very stable realms like no ciivil wars or plots.

By the way, I heard in a LP that priests can't vote in election(as pagans) is that true? Election would be the perfect succession then.

Agnostik

Charlamange, the Gravel King

Duke-level priests of every religion vote in elections. But since they love you so much, they usually vote for whoever you point at. They aren't eligible to become kings/emperors through election though, that's important.

I had archbishops of Hispania elect an Orthodox as my successor. And they loved him so much, they all converted to Orthodox without any bribing when he ascended to the throne. They were all like "Sure, my liege. Let us just get new hats."

Minrog

Captain

I prefer lord mayors by a big margin over church vassals. I think that might be a nice poll. I am thinking you would get a 33%, 33% 33% split on this.

I would need a lot more convincing on not using Lord Mayors. I have read most of the arguments. But the bottom line for me is, GOLD!! Gold is king in my games. And you just cannot make as much Gold with Church Vassals. I am sure there will be those awesome players who dispute this claim. But, having tried all 3 ways for myself. I will just say, I call bull crap.

Lord Mayors make a lot more gold. How much depends upon the tax rate/tech level/mod you are playing. Cities are something like double the raw cash intake of Bishopries (more with trade ports/coastal bonus/settled Jews) and your direct vassals pass almost none of that city money up to you unless they own the city (ies) themselves. Granting 2 cities to a Lord Mayor and sitting on 60% tax income is 70-80 gold (or more, this is assuming 35-40-ish base gold/year cities) in taxes for a single vassal.

If you use Lord Mayors, though, you can't have them be the entire realm the way you can with Bishops. The faction revolts are wonky when you have 60 Lord Mayors; 500 gold / month and 50,000 gold in the bank doesn't help too much in that specific scenario because you are gated by Mercenary manpower limitations.

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