In my area, there is a pagan church that has been attracting a lot of attention and curiosity from locals. The concept of a pagan church may seem perplexing to some, but it offers a unique space for those who identify with pagan beliefs to come together and worship. The main idea behind this pagan church is to provide a sanctuary for individuals who follow pagan traditions and beliefs, which are often rooted in nature worship and ancient spiritual practices. Unlike other mainstream religious institutions, this church embraces a diverse range of pagan beliefs and encourages individuals to connect with their own spiritual paths. The pagan church in my area holds regular ceremonies and rituals that reverence nature, celebrate the changing seasons, and honor various deities. These ceremonies often involve dancing, chanting, and the use of symbolic rituals and tools.
Let me give a quick example. When discussing the liturgy, the authors seek to show how the order of worship of medieval Catholicism is still visible in Protestant churches. There should be no order of worship, no routine, no liturgy whatsoever. The authors compare and contrast the liturgies of varying denominations to show how they are all unbiblical. But nowhere do the authors entertain the notion that perhaps the similarities in liturgy point to the value in structuring our worship a certain way. Have the greatest thinkers of the past 2000 years been blinded by tradition? Or have the great Christian thinkers seen value in the way Christian worship has developed?
Trevin Wax is vice president of research and resource development at the North American Mission Board and a visiting professor at Cedarville University. The faction revolts are wonky when you have 60 Lord Mayors; 500 gold month and 50,000 gold in the bank doesn t help too much in that specific scenario because you are gated by Mercenary manpower limitations.
These ceremonies often involve dancing, chanting, and the use of symbolic rituals and tools. The church also offers classes and workshops on various pagan practices, such as divination, herbalism, and meditation. One of the key aspects of this pagan church is its emphasis on community and inclusivity.
Advantages of Church Vassals(Pagan and Christian)?
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3 Badges Jun 9, 2013 742 1It seems in CK2 LPs and stuff that people really like having church vassals for every tier. I know some of the advantages(they don't have the "wants blah duchy/kingdom thing", etc.) but I heard that there are a lot more and I'm wondering if I should bother doing it in my new save. So, could anyone tell me the advantages of church vassals for pagans and christians(might convert at some point).
Agnostik
Charlamange, the Gravel King
59 Badges Mar 4, 2007 664 97- They don't get a negative modifier for high crown authority.
- They don't intermarry and blob.
- They don't have claims for anything.
- They like you even more if you're head of religion (Reformed Norse) or have Free Investiture (Catholic).
Cymsdale
High Warlord
158 Badges Dec 28, 2009 5.645 13.705 They also give you more taxes.Ahaz Flagg
Captain
21 Badges Feb 23, 2007 389 1I prefer lord mayors by a big margin over church vassals. I think that might be a nice poll. I am thinking you would get a 33%, 33% 33% split on this.
I would need a lot more convincing on not using Lord Mayors. I have read most of the arguments. But the bottom line for me is, GOLD!! Gold is king in my games. And you just cannot make as much Gold with Church Vassals. I am sure there will be those awesome players who dispute this claim. But, having tried all 3 ways for myself. I will just say, I call bull crap.
Mr_jon3s
Colonel
1 Badges Jun 25, 2013 892 6On medium taxes you get tons of money and you if you go on elective succession thats a + 20 opinion modifer. Then if your on free investiture thats a +25 opinion modifer and if the guy has a bishop under him thats another +10. So right off the bat on every ruler you have a +55 opinion modifer and if you have any of the seven virtues thats another 5-15 opinion modifer. This makes for very stable realms like no ciivil wars or plots.
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3 Badges Jun 9, 2013 742 1On medium taxes you get tons of money and you if you go on elective succession thats a + 20 opinion modifer. Then if your on free investiture thats a +25 opinion modifer and if the guy has a bishop under him thats another +10. So right off the bat on every ruler you have a +55 opinion modifer and if you have any of the seven virtues thats another 5-15 opinion modifer. This makes for very stable realms like no ciivil wars or plots.
By the way, I heard in a LP that priests can't vote in election(as pagans) is that true? Election would be the perfect succession then.
Agnostik
Charlamange, the Gravel King
59 Badges Mar 4, 2007 664 97Duke-level priests of every religion vote in elections. But since they love you so much, they usually vote for whoever you point at. They aren't eligible to become kings/emperors through election though, that's important.
I had archbishops of Hispania elect an Orthodox as my successor. And they loved him so much, they all converted to Orthodox without any bribing when he ascended to the throne. They were all like "Sure, my liege. Let us just get new hats."
Minrog
Captain
13 Badges May 21, 2011 414 2I prefer lord mayors by a big margin over church vassals. I think that might be a nice poll. I am thinking you would get a 33%, 33% 33% split on this.
I would need a lot more convincing on not using Lord Mayors. I have read most of the arguments. But the bottom line for me is, GOLD!! Gold is king in my games. And you just cannot make as much Gold with Church Vassals. I am sure there will be those awesome players who dispute this claim. But, having tried all 3 ways for myself. I will just say, I call bull crap.
Lord Mayors make a lot more gold. How much depends upon the tax rate/tech level/mod you are playing. Cities are something like double the raw cash intake of Bishopries (more with trade ports/coastal bonus/settled Jews) and your direct vassals pass almost none of that city money up to you unless they own the city (ies) themselves. Granting 2 cities to a Lord Mayor and sitting on 60% tax income is 70-80 gold (or more, this is assuming 35-40-ish base gold/year cities) in taxes for a single vassal.
If you use Lord Mayors, though, you can't have them be the entire realm the way you can with Bishops. The faction revolts are wonky when you have 60 Lord Mayors; 500 gold / month and 50,000 gold in the bank doesn't help too much in that specific scenario because you are gated by Mercenary manpower limitations.
An organic church is simply a church that is born out of spiritual life instead of constructed by human institutions and held together by religious programs. Organic churches are characterized by Spirit-led, open-participatory meetings and nonhierarchical leadership. This is in stark contrast to a clergy-led institution-driven church.
The church welcomes individuals from all backgrounds and walks of life, regardless of their religious or spiritual beliefs. It aims to create a supportive and accepting environment where everyone feels comfortable exploring and expressing their own spiritual journey. The pagan church also seeks to raise awareness and promote understanding of pagan beliefs within the wider community. It organizes public events, such as open rituals and educational talks, to share information about pagan traditions and dispel misconceptions. While the presence of a pagan church may seem unconventional, it offers a valuable opportunity for individuals with pagan beliefs to gather and find a sense of belonging. It provides a space for them to explore their spirituality, connect with nature, and engage in shared rituals and practices. In conclusion, the pagan church in my area serves as a sanctuary for individuals who identify with a pagan belief system. It fosters a sense of community, embraces diversity, and offers a platform for individuals to explore and express their spiritual paths. Whether one subscribes to these beliefs or not, it is important to respect and acknowledge the diverse religious practices that exist within our communities..
Reviews for "The pagan church in my town: a thriving community of like-minded individuals"
1. John Smith - 1 star - This "pagan church" in my area is nothing more than a disgrace. Their practices and beliefs go against everything I was raised to believe in. I find it offensive that they are allowed to openly worship in our community. Their rituals are bizarre and make me extremely uncomfortable. I would not recommend going anywhere near this place for anyone who values traditional religious beliefs.
2. Emily Johnson - 2 stars - I recently stumbled upon this pagan church in my area and was taken aback by what I witnessed. The ceremony I witnessed seemed like a strange mix of new age spirituality and ancient pagan rituals. I found it hard to take their beliefs seriously, and it felt more like a group of people trying to be edgy and different rather than a genuine religious community. While I respect freedom of religion, I personally didn't resonate with their practices and would not be attending again.
3. Sarah Thompson - 2 stars - As someone who values a more structured and traditional approach to worship, I found the pagan church in my area to be quite chaotic and disorganized. Their rituals lacked a clear structure and purpose, leaving me feeling confused and disconnected throughout the entire service. Additionally, I didn't appreciate the strong focus on nature worship, as it seemed disconnected from my own spiritual beliefs. Overall, I was left feeling unsatisfied and would not be attending their services again.
4. David Anderson - 1 star - This pagan church in my area is a complete joke. Their rituals are nothing more than an excuse to engage in self-indulgent behavior and escape from the responsibilities of the real world. The leaders of this community seem more interested in flaunting their alternative lifestyle and unconventional beliefs rather than truly connecting with something higher. Their lack of spiritual depth is evident in their practices, and I found the whole experience to be incredibly superficial. I would not recommend wasting your time with this place.
5. Samantha Roberts - 1 star - I visited the pagan church in my area with an open mind, but I was sorely disappointed. The so-called rituals they performed felt like an awkward mishmash of various spiritual practices, lacking any depth or meaningful connection. The whole experience felt forced and contrived, making it difficult to take them seriously as a legitimate religious group. Additionally, the overall atmosphere was unwelcoming, and I felt like an outsider throughout the service. Needless to say, I won't be returning to this pagan church again.